This week, we drop in on a conversation between Mary Beard and two former TLS editors; and Anne Enright joins us to talk about turning poet in her new novel.

'Emperor of Rome: Ruling the ancient Roman world', by Mary Beard

'Big Caesars and little Caesars: How they rise and how they fall -

from Julius Caesar to Boris Johnson', by Ferdinand Mount

'Palatine: An alternative history of the Caesars', by Peter Stothard

'The Wren, The Wren', by Anne Enright

Produced by Charlotte Pardy

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This week Lea Ypi joins David to talk about some of the ideas in his new book, The Handover: How We Gave Control of Our Lives to Corporations, States and AIs. They discuss how to think about the power of the state in the modern world: Can it be changed? Can it be controlled? Can it be anything other than capitalist? Plus, how will AI alter the relationship between human beings and the corporate machines that rule our world?

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